Faith: Is there anything it can’t do?

Religious people are fond of telling us how great faith is, but what does it really do for us? Sure it provides a sense of comfort and security to believers, but can it make them do more?

How about Jihad, genocide, murder, crusades, lies, inquisitions, intolerance, Sharia, guilt, terrorism, infanticide, stoning, pogroms, war, fear, 9/11, bigotry, theocracy, slavery and hate? That is not nearly an exhaustive list, but these are just some of the terrible things that have been done through faith in various gods, and most of them are still happening today because of people’s religious beliefs.

Next time someone asks you how you can live without faith, why not ask them how we can all live with it?

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My name is Shawn Esplin and I am an advocate of Free Thought and general good sense and thought in general. To that end, I encourage people to seriously question the things that they have been taught, especially as children, because many of these things - religious and secular - are taken on faith until we actively choose to seriously examine them for ourselves.

4 thoughts on “Faith: Is there anything it can’t do?

  1. Faith is not a only a religious tenant. We all have some kind of faith in something. Faith in our partner.
    Faith the fire department will respond to a fire in our home. Faith is a base in religion too. The items you list have very little to do with faith but more to do with the limitations of man. God did not decree the Crusades. The pope did and it was mostly political. Jihad is a little different in that it is supported by the Quran. Stoning was created again, by man and in fact, Jesus actually thwarts a stoning in the Bible by asking that he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. Faith is pure , emotional and spiritual.

    Wars are fought for many reasons, country, freedom, religion because people think these are worth fighting and dying for.

    If you look at the maladies stated above, rarely is it the belief system itself, but some man-made perversion of it that causes the nonsense.

    Again fanatics and hippocrites are in every club, political or church endeavor. They have moved to the fringe of whatever ideology they prostelate. They neither represent nor adhere to the ideologies themselves.

    Faith is good. But perverting it is usualy the creator of friction.

  2. How sad is this. I would rather travel with faith in Jesus than without faith in him. He actually makes me a better person towards persons like you.

  3. I disagree. Religion (and I must admit not all religions) have brought a great deal of good to society when secular society failed. Historians can easily attest to this fact. If we look back at the Middle Ages, it was the Church who were aiding the poor. They provided most of, if not all, of the charity to help the peasants and those doing all the manual labor. It wasn’t until about the time of King Henry that state and/or government started to help those in need.

    Another historical fact, it was the Church who carried forth literature and the arts. They saved the manuscripts from ancient Greece and other ancient lands from the barbarians; thus allowing civilization to move forward rather than backwards.

    Yes, there are people who commit crime in the name of faith but I think actions speak louder than words. Gandhi was a man of faith. Mother Teresa was a woman of faith. Their actions really proved their faith. If someone is blindly killing others in the name of faith, we can all attest, they are not following Faith.

  4. “Faith is not a only a religious tenant.” -Mark Blackford

    Your equivocating. Faith has multiple meanings and concepts, the idea of faith in a religious construct is faith without evidence or in spite of evidence, i.e. “I have faith the bible is the word of God because it says so.”, where as the more secular concept is faith in empirical observation i.e. “I have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow because it has for the past 20 years of my life.”

    “God did not decree the Crusades. The pope did and it was mostly political.” -Mark Blackford

    Except for the fact that the pope’s decree was from god himself, if you understood anything about the catholic religion (and by consequence your own) you would know this.

    “Jihad is a little different in that it is supported by the Quran.” -Mark Blackford

    Only with in the confines of defending one’s self and property. A Jihad can not be declared unless you have transgressed against Islam and then it is only up to the point that the transgression is rectified. If you are to properly follow the Quran you can not start a Jihad to gain lands, power or even to spread the Muslim faith. You don’t know the Quran.

    “Stoning was created again, by man…” -Mark Blackford

    Exodus 19:12-3 “You shall set bounds for the people round about, saying, ‘Beware of going up the mountain or touching the border of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall be put to death: No hand shall touch him, but he shall be ether STONED or shot; beast or man, he shall not live.’ When the ram’s horn sounds a long blast, they may go up on the mountain.

    A bit of context this is where your God was suppose to have come to Moses on top of Mount Sinai, and one of his decrees was death by stoning. Of course seeing how I don’t believe that this really happened, I’d agree that stoning, along with religion and god was made by man.

    “Again fanatics and hippocrites are in every club, political or church endeavor. They have moved to the fringe of whatever ideology they prostelate. They neither represent nor adhere to the ideologies themselves.” -Mark Blackford

    I agree entirely.

    “…makes me a better person towards persons like you.” -LB Colorado

    So what your saying is I’m less of a person then you are?

    “I disagree. Religion (and I must admit not all religions) have brought a great deal of good to society when secular society failed. Historians can easily attest to this fact” -Kay

    No sorry, but most DON’T. While there are some religions that have had a minimal negative effect on progress, in the end any thing which requires the suspension of logic and empiricism will result in backwardness.

    “Another historical fact, it was the Church who carried forth literature and the arts. They saved the manuscripts from ancient Greece and other ancient lands from the barbarians; thus allowing civilization to move forward rather than backwards.” -Kay

    Sorry but it was the church (and the environment they created) which caused the destroyed a great many old works. Hell, we may have had calculus long before newton came around if not for the Christan church: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/8974/title/A_Prayer_for_Archimedes

    “If someone is blindly killing others in the name of faith, we can all attest, they are not following Faith.” -Kay

    Then your testimony is flawed. Someone who kills in the name of faith are very much following their faith, though said faith may not be the same interpretation you have taken, it’s still a valid form of faith. You can’t argue with some ones faith regardless of what it says because it’s faith. It has no requirement for logical coherence or to be empirical evident. That’s one of the fundamental problems with faith, and why many of us on this board lack it. If you want to say you have evidence, then you don’t have faith. They are different concepts (whit in the confines of the usage specified above.)

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