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	<title>Comments on: Propaganda 101: HEAVEN or HELL (Fellowship Tract League Tract #115)</title>
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		<title>By: Sakka</title>
		<link>http://www.betterthanfaith.com/blogs/propaganda-blogs/propaganda-101-heaven-or-hell-fellowship-tract-league-tract-115/comment-page-1#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Sakka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Stan,

Wait. God is cake? No wonder why he is so tasty. And why he is dead. Someone like me must have come up and eaten him right up.

And I always found the concepts of heaven and hell, as they were explained to me by different Christians of varying religiosity. Whenever they explained it, they spoke about it as if there weren&#039;t a doubt in their mind that they were going to go to heaven. When I was old enough to think about it more fully, it occurred to me that Heave and Hell are constructs that are terribly personal. By which I mean, Heaven is for you and those you cherish. Hell on the other than is for that asshole Steve down the street who has a better car, hotter wife and finely manicured lawn. In essence, hell is for those you dislike or hate. Now this isn&#039;t what is taught in any church to my knowledge, but it seems to be the unspoken consensus among those not in the clergy. And perhaps in the clergy. I don&#039;t know about the latter statement.

It&#039;s one of many things that drove me from the church and to study other religions. Only to find out that they&#039;re all basically nonsense.

Sorry to anyone named Steve. It was just the first name in my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Stan,</p>
<p>Wait. God is cake? No wonder why he is so tasty. And why he is dead. Someone like me must have come up and eaten him right up.</p>
<p>And I always found the concepts of heaven and hell, as they were explained to me by different Christians of varying religiosity. Whenever they explained it, they spoke about it as if there weren&#8217;t a doubt in their mind that they were going to go to heaven. When I was old enough to think about it more fully, it occurred to me that Heave and Hell are constructs that are terribly personal. By which I mean, Heaven is for you and those you cherish. Hell on the other than is for that asshole Steve down the street who has a better car, hotter wife and finely manicured lawn. In essence, hell is for those you dislike or hate. Now this isn&#8217;t what is taught in any church to my knowledge, but it seems to be the unspoken consensus among those not in the clergy. And perhaps in the clergy. I don&#8217;t know about the latter statement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of many things that drove me from the church and to study other religions. Only to find out that they&#8217;re all basically nonsense.</p>
<p>Sorry to anyone named Steve. It was just the first name in my head.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t have to choose either, because neither exists! :D your god is a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t have to choose either, because neither exists! <img src='http://www.betterthanfaith.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  your god is a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: EndGameOmega</title>
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		<dc:creator>EndGameOmega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it a little disingenuous to claim some life altering experience then fail to share it openly. While it is your right to do so it makes it sound like your story is flimsy before anyone even hears it. It makes it sound as if you&#039;ve ether told people before and had them tare it apart or you realize that it would be unconvincing to an empiricist or a skeptic and don&#039;t want your story looked down upon publicly (Thought I believe that you likely believe it what ever it might be). If you wish to actually share your story openly we will consider it, but if not then you&#039;ve given us nothing to consider.

If you have the truth then you should share it openly rather then hide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it a little disingenuous to claim some life altering experience then fail to share it openly. While it is your right to do so it makes it sound like your story is flimsy before anyone even hears it. It makes it sound as if you&#8217;ve ether told people before and had them tare it apart or you realize that it would be unconvincing to an empiricist or a skeptic and don&#8217;t want your story looked down upon publicly (Thought I believe that you likely believe it what ever it might be). If you wish to actually share your story openly we will consider it, but if not then you&#8217;ve given us nothing to consider.</p>
<p>If you have the truth then you should share it openly rather then hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Benstead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Benstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just read both the tract in question and comments from both sides of the fence. I used to be an atheist, then agnostic, who held the same position as some of the folk above. I am now a fundamentalist Bible believing Christian. I wish I could revert, but now I realise I cannot.I had an unmistakable experience in which I was convinced that the GOSPEL is TRUE. It is at great personal risk that I leave you my private E mail address.I am prepared to take this risk because I am certain. So if you want to find out more, I will gladly tell you.I do not want to give my story out with asking first. I think this is the best way. With every good wish- to all parties. Shaun&#039;s E mail: sbenstead@talktalk.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just read both the tract in question and comments from both sides of the fence. I used to be an atheist, then agnostic, who held the same position as some of the folk above. I am now a fundamentalist Bible believing Christian. I wish I could revert, but now I realise I cannot.I had an unmistakable experience in which I was convinced that the GOSPEL is TRUE. It is at great personal risk that I leave you my private E mail address.I am prepared to take this risk because I am certain. So if you want to find out more, I will gladly tell you.I do not want to give my story out with asking first. I think this is the best way. With every good wish- to all parties. Shaun&#8217;s E mail: <a href="mailto:sbenstead@talktalk.net">sbenstead@talktalk.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some folks need to lay off the LSD,you know who you are!here&#039;s a clue, there&#039;s 2 billion
plus strong!quite impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some folks need to lay off the LSD,you know who you are!here&#8217;s a clue, there&#8217;s 2 billion<br />
plus strong!quite impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: VOCAB MALONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>VOCAB MALONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gadfly - 
there is no Christian tract of any kind you would like 
- i accept and understand that.  

my question was if carmina wanted to review it. 
i am not under the impression carmina will like it or anything. 
i am just willing to supply &quot;fodder&quot; for carmina&#039;s quest of critiquing 
Christian literature in order to produce an more enlightened culture ...

cause i am just that nice =)
vm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gadfly &#8211;<br />
there is no Christian tract of any kind you would like<br />
- i accept and understand that.  </p>
<p>my question was if carmina wanted to review it.<br />
i am not under the impression carmina will like it or anything.<br />
i am just willing to supply &#8220;fodder&#8221; for carmina&#8217;s quest of critiquing<br />
Christian literature in order to produce an more enlightened culture &#8230;</p>
<p>cause i am just that nice =)<br />
vm</p>
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		<title>By: Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you referring to the response you made to the tract involving Elisha and children mocking him? That was ridiculous. As I recall, your main point was that the term translated as &quot;children&quot; could have meant anyone up to age 30. Of course it&#039;s perfectly moral of God to sic bears on people who might possibly be in their twenties! What a spectacular specimen of an all-loving, all-understanding deity.

Seriously, Vocab, that one was kind of embarrassing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you referring to the response you made to the tract involving Elisha and children mocking him? That was ridiculous. As I recall, your main point was that the term translated as &#8220;children&#8221; could have meant anyone up to age 30. Of course it&#8217;s perfectly moral of God to sic bears on people who might possibly be in their twenties! What a spectacular specimen of an all-loving, all-understanding deity.</p>
<p>Seriously, Vocab, that one was kind of embarrassing.</p>
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		<title>By: VOCAB MALONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>VOCAB MALONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have one for you that I created in RESPONSE to a Better than Faith tract.
I can e-mail it to you if you so desire ...

vm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have one for you that I created in RESPONSE to a Better than Faith tract.<br />
I can e-mail it to you if you so desire &#8230;</p>
<p>vm</p>
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		<title>By: Carmina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure thing! Got something more interesting for me to break down into its nascent atomic propaganda elements?

Sadly, this sort of literature appears to be par for the course from the pile that I&#039;ve been handed by my friends. I do have more dissections to come, but you may need to approach the publishers and distributors to get them to produce something with more substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure thing! Got something more interesting for me to break down into its nascent atomic propaganda elements?</p>
<p>Sadly, this sort of literature appears to be par for the course from the pile that I&#8217;ve been handed by my friends. I do have more dissections to come, but you may need to approach the publishers and distributors to get them to produce something with more substance.</p>
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		<title>By: george clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>george clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 08:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is about the most inane tract i have ever seen and i am a bible thumper 
why don&#039;t you review something more interesting carmina?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is about the most inane tract i have ever seen and i am a bible thumper<br />
why don&#8217;t you review something more interesting carmina?</p>
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